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00:00:03 today's scripture reading is taken from Matthew chap 18: 15 through 35 if your brother or sister sins go and point out their fault just between the two of you if they listen to you you have won them over but if they will not listen take one or two others along so that every matter may be established by the testimony of two two or three Witnesses if they still refuse to listen tell it to the church and if they refuse to listen even to the church treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector truly I tell you whatever you
00:00:47 bind on Earth will be bound in heaven and whatever you lose on Earth will be loosed in Heaven Again truly I tell you that if two of you on Earth agree about anything thing they ask for it will be done for them by my Father in heaven for where two or three Gather in my name there am I with them then Peter came to Jesus and asked Lord how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me up to seven times Jesus answered I tell you not seven times but 77 times therefore the Kingdom of Heaven is
00:01:31 like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants as he began the settlement a man who owed him 10,000 bags of gold was brought to him since he was not able to pay the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt at this the servant fell on his knees before him be patient with me he begged and I will pay back everything the servant Master took pity on him canel the debt and let him go but when the servant went out he found one of his
00:02:07 fellow servants who owed him a hundred silver coins he grabbed him and began to choke him pay back what you owe me he demanded his fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him be patient with me and I will pay it back but he refused instead he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt when the other servants saw what had happened they were outraged and went and told their Master everything that had happened then the master called the servant in you Wicked servant he said I
00:02:43 canel all the debt of yours because you begged me to shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you in Anger his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured until he should pay back all he owed this is how my heavenly father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart this is the word of God 1 two three okay great I'm on good morning brothers and sisters morning nice to see all of you on this bright and early Sunday morning I want to say
00:04:05 thanks to Sarah for the reading of God's word and also for the joyful seniors for a very nice uh worship that we had uh it's been a while since I I think I saw the seniors up here and especially uh saw our brother playing the drums with great strength and RoR it's great to actually see this you don't see this in many other churches um before begin let's just quickly do a prayer then we start father we thank you today lot for bringing us here to come to your church your Gathering of your people on and to
00:04:34 hear your word and to learn how to live as a community that belongs to you I pray that you open our hearts help us to hear your word and not what man says pray that you help us all to be able to to really understand your word and also to live it out thank you Lord in Jesus name we pray amen all right now today what we be talking about is actually forgiving and caring for one another just two different points okay we need to forgive each other and we need to care for each other two different points and we start with the
00:05:06 first one we need to forgive each other all right there are three different things we going to look at why is it so hard to forgive why must we forgive and how do we forgive okay why is it hard to forgive why must we forgive and how do we forgive three different things over here now so I have a few questions here that I'm going to ask you to take a look and I tell you and when you tell me would you forgive these people not if this happened to you for first one you have a neighbor you bought a house and you love
00:05:41 the house you looked at it you loved it and you moved in and when you moved in suddenly you realized that you forgot to check who is your neighbor before you buy it so next time you buy properties you must check you know so when you actually stay there you real that your neighbor is one kindman right he loves to sing Koke until till midnight so maybe you have a kid that's maybe one or two years old because of that he cannot sleep or maybe have seniors at home and because that they cannot rest as well
00:06:07 until midnight right so why because they work very hard and when they come home they want to work hard and they want to play hard as well so they sing K all the time with their friends and outside they Park their cars everywhere because a lot of friends come and sing Kar together and after that weekends they will actually do barbecue as well now for us when we are young right I only do laundry like maybe two times a week so I do it in the in the uh weekend so when you do your laundry they barbecue right so this happens can you
00:06:35 forgive your your neighbor not right so at first you okay okay I think okay never mind mind let be let be okay so the next thing happen is you have a lot of cockroaches near my house you know I clean my house very well but why is there so many Coes you went outside you check out the kitchen the drain hey there's a lot of food in the drain you know apparently your neighbor doesn't remove the rice and all the stuff before throwing into the drain okay so therefore there are Coes everywhere and after that the one of the main reasons
00:07:05 why you bought this house was because you like The Greenery there but without you without asking you your neighbor decided to chop off the tree in front of your house you go over there and ask why you say a lot ANS I need to chop never even ask you in he's in front of you but he doesn't ask you he just said yeah I need to chop it he thought he's doing you a favor right and finally you know when it comes to link houses it's always a sharing of parking right you sh share a bucking and that is always a thing
00:07:31 that people have issues with so what happened is you have by right if you look at the screen over here everybody has a small piece of land in front of you and that's a common area right it does doesn't belong to anyone but what happened was this when you try to park your car in front of your house in the red area that you see over there he gets angry he says that you cannot park your car there if you park your car there I cannot park my car because this car is longer so what do you do do you forgive
00:07:59 your neighbor or not and when you finally decide I want to par right you so bad to me I want to do this and I park my car there and he scratches your car what will you do will you forgive your neighbor or not this is actually quite similar to my previous neighbor especially the scratching of cars this really happened now next one now after that you know uh some of you maybe this is not relevant to you but some of you said that oh um you decided to get married you found a very nice handsome man and you get
00:08:31 married said he's in church he's such a good person I want to get married with him so you get married and but when you realize that when after get married the person changes know okay last time they're very nice but after they change know right and they do a lot of things that annoy you and just like this little toy over here you can buy a toy that actually discr your husband the useless man right so over what happens he leaves his dirty clothes everywhere why he said I'm very tired I just come back he just throw on
00:08:59 the floor no matter how you tell tell I forgot like so many things in my head you know and think about the world politics my company so many things I forget as on the floor next thing he refuses to leave a finger to help he said my mother last time can do all my mother can do all why you cannot do right I thought he supposed to help one right he complains about you about your dressing about cooking when you Coke his words is basically not nice why so much S one oh you like that one he complains
00:09:26 of driving skills when you drive he gets scared wait wait slowly slowly slowly all these things always happen to us right and weekend weekend when you have a romantic time with him you hope that he'll pamper you what happens is weekend is for football from 8:00 at night they have Liverpool Manchester United all the way until 2 a.m. he likes to watch football will you forgive your husband or not right or will you forgive this guy or not this guy is Matt Calin during 2020 when everybody when the Corona
00:09:57 virus just started you know what he did he was smart he saw the trend he knew that hand sanitizers would become a hot item so every single smart business owner what will you do it could rewind time what will you do some of you say hey I will start to buy all the hand sanitizers in February you know buy of them when China got problem he stays in United States he starts to buy all the hand sanitizers ready and keeps it in his Warehouse because it sells hand hand sanitizers on eBay on Amazon and when that happen
00:10:29 right so he actually hot all the hand sanitizers and everybody got angry with him because all the Walmarts everywhere also don't have sanitizer but he has 177,000 inside his house will we forgive him or not right oh maybe this one this is even worse now we have a war in Ukraine this is on Syria and this happened last time right um this is Al nazal and his son Mustafa Al nazal and Mustafa are actually syrians they are syrians they stay in Syria last time and there was Civil War as all all you know about and when he
00:11:00 was actually going to the market he actually was involved in a bombing accident there's a bombing and he lost one of his leg so he lost his right leg but his wife didn't get bombed his wife actually suffered a nerve gas attack in Syria and because of the nerve gas attack the baby that was born Mustafa had this Tetra Amia syndrome whereby he has no limbs no leg Sun so would you forgive all the Western countries all your government for causing this or not if you were a na now friends living in this world
00:11:36 there's always things to forgive because when you're living with people it's bound to have cases whereby there are issues there are challenges when you meet people there are risk there are things that may may make you unhappy right from small little things from your house your neighbor to your husband to all the way to international issues there's always things that we need to forgive but over here as we start over here in Matthew 18 I'm going start with verse 21 Peter asked Peter came to Jesus
00:12:01 and asked Lord how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me up to seven times enough or not how many times I need to forgive the question is actually very interesting why would you even ask how many times why why didn't just go Infinity why why do you need to ask how many times because the answer is it is very hard to forgive when I all forgive one time maybe you didn't know then I forgive you but you still do it again you know right I thought you know already but you still
00:12:31 do it why does this happen because it's very very hard for us to forgive therefore we ask how many times we need to forgive so why is it why is it so hard because when you actually forgive a person you need to realize this thing when somebody wrongs you uh that is incurred when somebody wrongs you a de is incurred there is a loss to you so take for example your neighbor over here what do you lose well you don't get to sleep because it seem k at night right you don't get to p your car properly and
00:13:01 you get Coes at home because of him so when somebody does something wrong to you there is a loss to you or this your husband your husband doesn't want to lift a finger so who needs to do the work you right right or for example he watches uh his movies uh his football and weekends so in the end you actually lose a spouse like that right and all these different things will come about and there's always a loss or when he say nasty things to you you don't have a physical loss but you get emotionally
00:13:31 hurt and because of that we want to get back we want to say that there must be a price paid we must get even I must get compensated because you hurt me or this one over here War we all understand but what can you do you know there's always a de in Cur and sometimes a that is not even incur in those fighting can be those around them that actually get it and they actually suffer over here he didn't go to war his son wasn't even born but now he has no limbs so there's always a de incur when we actually do
00:13:58 something wrong when in comes there's always a price to pay that is the first thing we understand it's very hard to forgive because there's always a price to pay and we are not willing to pay the price now so what is our response in this case number one you can choose to get even uh these are real things that happen outside if your neighbor doesn't like you some people they purposely wait until the neighbor go for Holiday you know what they do neighbor goes for holiday they put they put bird seat on
00:14:24 top of the cars and to get the birds to come and then this is what happens the car real cases you know um my wife just found online she was helping me yesterday and she found all this and next thing what else do people do uh in US apparently there's this guy who actually um owns a lawn care company and he Prides himself for his lawn and because of his lawn he gets a lot of business so what this guy does is because the neighbor actually throw a brick at his uh his dog he got very angry he actually put Sal on the lawn to
00:14:57 make sure the entire lawn gets destroyed and so his neighbor actually get affected so we try to get even right we try to get even when actually there's a price to pay all the other one is we make people pay and sometimes the price is so big that the person can't even pay because when we do something wrong we don't realize the consequences this guy when he holded the 177,000 bottles of s hand sanitizer he did it for profit but he wasn't really trying to harm people you know right he wanted a profit he was
00:15:25 just selling but not really too expensive compared to Amazon as well so just a little a bit more expensive but when you go on to social media there's this thing called cancer C culture have you heard it before cancer culture which means I just cancel you when you do something wrong I just cancel I just don't want to listen to you anymore and everybody RS down hatred on you when he woke up the next morning and people found out about him having 1 17,000 bottles of hand sanitizer if you watch Netflix he started to fear for his life
00:15:54 because people actually started to find who he is and keep on messaging him uh saying bad things about him found his address and want to come to his house he had to buy a gun move to a hotel stay there because it was rap for his life so there's always a price to pay when something bad happens and Indian until now this guy based on Netflix what was being said he can even get a job anymore why because Amazon banned him eBay banned him the whole world bans him so his entire livelihood is totally affected and he actually last time he
00:16:25 was a soldier working uh working in United States so he was a good man but he just because of Saw business opportunity he did that so we try to make people pay when they do something wrong or over here there's a a writer who who tells us this if your husband is not good you know what you should do you should divorce him okay end the relationship just divorce him if he's bad if he's toxic end the relationship because why he says I gave birth I'm breastfeeding in the until early in the morning why do I have to make dinner
00:16:51 when my husband is actually watching TV why so one way we do is we cannot take it we just end the entire relationship we don't want it or we hope something bad happens to these people when you cannot do anything to them because they're in power what do you do you pray that God do something bad to them okay make them pay make them suffer right and some people last time in Chinese they do jumpy on them they do things like that they'll hit their their photo so it's a demonstration they cannot hit the person
00:17:19 they do they take the photo and start wacking it so we want to actually with this payment of that must be done somebody must pay for it so coming back to what we have over here why is it hard to forgive because number one a death is actually incurred so number two but why must we forgive when Peter ask Jesus this question what does Jesus say Jesus says I tell you not seven times okay not seven times but 77 times not seven times but 77 times when Peter said seven times in that time the RAB the rabis over
00:17:52 there said if someone wrongs you three times is enough you forgive them three times then you don't need forgive them so so Peter was trying to be good he said you you know we follow you you know we are better than them people three times we double it and plus one so seven times seven times okay but Jesus says no 70 * 7 and all of us know is not 490 it means that unlimited you must always forgive you must always forgive now why why must we always forgive why must we always forgive and so the answer is what
00:18:20 Jesus is telling us to give up the right to seek for repayment to say that we shouldn't need to be paid anymore we don't need to be paid then how I keep on losing cannot ride so what's the answer if you look at a parable over there this Parable says that I'm going to read it to you therefore the Kingdom of Heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants as he began the settlement a man who owed him 10,000 bags of gold was brought to him since he was not able to pay the master ordered
00:18:47 that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt all this at this servant fell on his knees before him be patient with me he back and I will pay back everything the servants Master took pity on him canceled the death and let him go so why must we forgive the few things to understand this story is reflecting us so there's a king who's the king God okay God is a king and what happened the servant which is US owes the king 10,000 bags of gold in other translation is 10,000 talents right if
00:19:24 you take this 10,000 talents and translate to current Uh current uh currenc see it comes up to about 5 billion ring so imagine you owe the King 5 billion ring can you pay back or not anyone here can I think no I don't think so right 5 billion ring so this is a very big debt that we have towards God and this is what God is saying we owe him unlimited actually the translation of 10,000 talents is actually 10,000 is the biggest what Myra and talent is the biggest currency that they have so it's actually unlimited amount of money this
00:19:59 me ow to the king and the King says that you don't need to pay me back after that right so he beged for Mercy the servant said be patient with me and the King took pity on him and canceled the entire death so this is what happened over here and why must we always forgive because in this story as you can see very simply Jesus is saying that I've canceled all your deaths we say that you know these people are bad they should know better but the answer is we ourselves do a lot of bad things as well yes or no maybe we say that we
00:20:31 are not like Jolo we not like people out there who actually really you know kill a lot of people we're not like Putin who actually go and attack Ukraine but we ourselves we do a lot of wrong things and there's a de in heaven but God says if you follow him if you repent if you go to him he will cancel your entire death 10,000 talents which is extremely lot there's no way you can aieve payback so imagine if you owe the Malaysian government five 5 billion what will you do with your life you don't need to stay
00:21:01 in your house anymore you be bankrupt and you work and stay on the streets forever and ever that is how it's going to be now when we look at it why must we always forgive because the answer is we must understand that we have this emotional humility to know that it is possible for us to do the same thing this is something very recently hot on the news okay is it okay to not give way to ambulance or not is it okay some of you watching news maybe you know so some politicians uh didn't give way to ambulance and this a big HOA over
00:21:32 there and other people say you're so bad you didn't give way to ambulance but when before we even said that we need to think about it ourselves we cannot do this we can we have to give it to ambulance because we don't have escort we don't have police in front of us but if it were us will we do it we don't know and we ourselves we need to have the emotional humility to remember the 10,000 talents that we owe to God because we always do things like this have you done this before have you been on curas
00:21:59 anyone seeing kakum here huh every morning when you go to work you go to subang this is the worst traffic jam in the world when I stay there you line them line up for about 20 to 30 minutes just to go up the ramp extremely long and I really didn't like it so you see people going there and I can tell you I've done it before so there's a sign there that says what andas don't you feel sorry that you you're cutting Q why is it such a sign that because everybody cut skill they cannot take it so we may not actually
00:22:32 stop the ambulance and because it's their right away but we actually we ourselves we do something wrong like this we have an account with God and we keep on actually adding into it every day if not add it today don't worry later you add again one you always owe God yeah because we are like that and we we say that hey how come you say that Forest logging is good for Tigers right why you say such things it's wrong you know you should protect the forest we shouldn't do things at bad for the country right you should protect for for
00:22:59 our children these are things we say yes but do you know that Malaysians not Malaysian government Malaysians you meet all of us we are the worst offenders when it comes to polluting the world polluting the oceans over here if you look at here 60% of ocean plastic pollution comes from six countries so we are number one apparently there six countries Here China Indonesia Philippines Thailand Vietnam Malaysia and for us we are number one we produce the most Plastics in this top on in these six countries and all these
00:23:30 Plastics go to the ocean so before we start complaining about others you know how bad people are you see the guy throwing throwing rubbish on the floor we ourselves produce when you go to the shopping mall what do you use right we actually do a lot of bad things ourselves we need to have the emotional humility to say that yes we are like that so why forgive because emotional humility when we look at our neighbors we know that these things happen but at the same time we need to also know that number one maybe we were very noisy at
00:23:58 home more soul I have kids I can tell you they're very noisy I'm moving my house soon and I'm thinking about how should I tell my neighbor that I'm going to be very noisy so because when you leave together people there are things that will happen right it's very normal or maybe you know when you got to know them from the start you didn't say hi to them you weren friendly so we ourselves can actually do something wrong or for your for your husband maybe he likes to watch TV but maybe you like shopping right maybe you always go
00:24:26 shopping you don't go outside shopping you always on your phone shopping right we ourselves we also have things that we need to repent on so before we start counting on people like what in the story that you saw afterwards whereby the servant went to choke on the other guy choke you know choke on the other guy and actually ask for payment before we do that we need to know that we owe to God or even for this you know we don't know as I said just now you are not in power I can tell you when you have some power your life will change a
00:24:55 lot of things you can do and at the time only then you decide are you going to be the right person so you see people when they start having power become politicians they change because you have not come to the part whereby you have that yet so we need have emotion emotional humility to say that it is possible that we are wrong as well right next one why should we forgive because we have this emotional wealth given by God so with God they God has already forgiven all our debts right and so how can you compare that thatt to others if
00:25:25 you take the 100 silver coins in the passage compare to the 100,000 10,000 talents what you see is it's comparing 5 billion to 10,000 ring so if someone forgives you 5 billion can you forgive 10,000 or not there's about three months of wages I just come up with a quick number for you is it okay for you forgive 10,000 two times can I not three times right and as you can see over here basically God says that whatever this happens between you and your fellow believer your brothers and sisters is nothing is more compared to all the
00:26:01 things that we do wrong right and we ourselves may have wrong them as well so in Romans here the other point to know is is we have this emotional wealth whereby God didn't just forgive our deaths you know over here what it says he says that the spirit you received brought about your adoption to sunship you're no longer Outsider you are a son right and by him he cry ABA father the spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children now if we are God if children then we are hes hes of
00:26:30 God and coair with Christ we are not any we are no we no longer a nobody God has actually taken us and now been adopted to his family that is amount that we have so when you have all these things can you forgive those maybe outside the church that don't know what is right or wrong sometimes or those inside the church that may actually do something wrong because we all humans and we do that as well so with this emotional wealth we should have the strength to do it because when something wrongs always
00:26:57 look back God has achieved for forgiveness already now and one of the most important point I want to mention to you it's not because oh I got money there with God you know I got account with God I need to settle it or God so I forgive you okay but actually if you look at the entire story this passage is about between brothers and sisters when God came he came to establish his church his Ecclesia and so this Gathering of people the brothers and sisters is very important in fact when you go into relationship with
00:27:27 Christ you don't go into a relationship with God only you know you actually go into relationship with everybody look around you okay look around you these are all your brothers and sisters that you see in eternity forever and ever you know so maybe whatever they did wrong you're going to see them forever and that relationship to God is the most important not the small little thing they did wrong not whatever they they angered you next Point how do we forgive them okay how do we forgive so when you
00:27:54 see how do we forgive there are just three different things I want to share with you first one you need to resume fellowship with them a lot of times when you say we forgive right what we means actually okay I I forgive you actually I'm still angry with you I just don't talk to you I I forgive you I just don't talk to you but what God says is that we need to resume Fellowship we need to treat them the same as others if you're going to invite somebody to your house you need to invite them also if you're
00:28:19 going to ask ask other people out for makan you need to ask them also right you need to treat them just like other people that is called forgiving can do or not right think about I'm going sure some of all of us here have somebody that maybe we have wrong or somebody have wrong us and we feel very hurt but can we do this or not because God says we need to resume Fellowship no keeping records which means that when you see them right you don't remember it you don't have it inside your mind to say that you still
00:28:45 do that and you don't say hurtful remarks for example if the guy was late the next round when his appointment he asked hey let's go for Mak you don't ask him we be on time you don't ask questions like that right or maybe when he ask you something he he Lear money from he as he asked to borrow some money you will ask him will you pay back right but that is a different point basically that you need to be smart on what you do as well but at the same time you're supposed to treat them the same as others and finally most importantly pray
00:29:16 for them wish them well which means in your mind in your heart there's no malice anymore there's no Mal and many of you looking at me and like I don't know what's happening over here uh I think it's quite difficult to do it as well I agree with you and I'm also learning but God says that we have to forgive everyone no matter what happened to us and the answer is is unlimited you know it's not one or two times let that sink in to us no matter what people do to us we have to forgive them unlimited
00:29:44 times okay and that is what God says because we have this debt to God that has actually been done now so all these things over here I mentioned to you already and so but why is it so important to forgive because God says over here in verse 35 this is how my heavenly father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart so in the story when the servant actually start to choke the other guy for 100 civil coins the king got angry and threw him into prison so it means
00:30:15 that actually God says that you will not be forgiven unless you forgive now what does it mean that does it mean that there's a prerequisite to get salvation you must forgive is that what it means no that's not what it means what it means is is if you have receive the 5 billion inside your heart the answer is you will definitely forgiven if you really have accepted receive God's salvation you would be so open and happy to actually forgive others so if you cannot forgive others now even whatever I'm telling you now and you still say
00:30:46 you know that person in church I did that to me you know the last one was so nice to him when I serve I did this for him but he didn't acknowledge he said it was bad he said it was lousy and if you cannot forgive him yet right the answer is because you have not received this 5 billion yet you have not fully received it so we need to always remember God has forgiven us and we are required to forgive right we need forgive as the master forgives over here right so God's forgiveness allows us to live radically
00:31:14 for him so when we actually believe in Christ God's forgiveness helps us to live differently we no longer need to live in a different way because this identity in Christ changes us all together when you know that the world is not all it is that there's a lot more and you are your entire eternity is secure and your life and everything you have is secure you can live differently you don't need to do this anymore chasing around for money right you don't need to go out look for shopping all the time anymore to make yourself beautiful
00:31:43 and get yourself getting your self worth you are beautiful already you are worthy already you're so worthy God died for you you don't need to do all this already and because of that we can do a lot more for example we can care for one another so we see the this passage over here 18:1 15 onwards it says if your brother or sister sins go and point out their fault just between the two of you if they listen to you you have warn them over but if they will not listen take one or two others along so that every matter may be
00:32:15 established by the testimony of two or three Witnesses if they still refuse to listen tell to the church and if they refuse to listen even to the church treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector when God has forgiven us we can live radically you don't need to look out for number one anymore you don't need to keep looking out for yourself you can look out for others this passage over here there's a few points we need to see the first thing this passage is directed towards Brothers and Sisters in Christ
00:32:45 it's not for you to go and see a stranger say Hey you shouldn't smoke H very bad you know it's not that it's between brothers and sisters that both of you have a common understanding of something you have a common ground which is Christ right that's the first first thing number two you're supposed to go and point out their fault but just between two of you you're not supposed to tell your wife or tell other people hey they got very bad you know right you're not supposed to do that you're supposed to go to them and tell them and
00:33:10 that assume that you have a relationship with them ready you have a relationship like brothers and sisters if you're not you're strangers are you don't see somebody in church and say that can you not look at the phone when sermon is going on you don't do that you know you you don't you only do it to somebody that you have a relationship on right next if they listen to you you have wonn them over what it means is the goal is not that for you to feel that you can gain brownie points or not because
00:33:36 you're trying to do something for God is because you want to win them over you want to come back to this relationship to the church to Christ that is what you want to do but if they will not listen what do you do if they don't listen some people say no I'm not wrong you say I'm wrong but I'm not wrong we have differences in opinion what do you do the answer is you're supposed to leverage on the church you're supposed to get two or three people to go and talk to him and and help him which means you don't give up you say okay just
00:34:00 smile lot of times in church is is what you do right if someone doesn't agree with you or you don't like the person you know what we do we just smile okay it's okay go to somewhere else that's what we do we don't confront we don't actually engage we choose to disengage we choose to say this relationship is not so worthy of my time I don't want to spend time on it let's just disengage got other people in church M can play with them but I can actually be with them this what kids say you know for us
00:34:24 as adults we just disengage but here it says that you don't give up you know you go go on and you engage them you get two or three people to go along so that every matter may be established by The Testament of two or three Witnesses so that you can actually talk to each other and you can hear the viewpoints hey is it really true that I saw something wrong maybe the other person's explanation makes sense but I don't understand it but if they still refuse to listen you tell to church which means again go wider number right you go go to
00:34:48 wider number and take note actually when you look at it over here right there is no talk about leadership one what happens over here is between brothers and sisters which means that this is not the job of the leader this is not the job of the pastor is everybody's responsibility to help each other to actually bring issues up to each other and help each other in this journey of life right but if they still refuse to listen treat them as you would a pagan or tax collector what it means is if the person really sins right they there's
00:35:19 something very serious and they still really sin then you can reduce the fellowship you have with them so I have over here just summarize very quickly so first one sin is is a serious matter why do we do this because sin is a serious matter we don't play with sin if somebody really sins there something serious we need to do something about it it's between brothers or sisters in Christ number three and you only do this when there are habitual sins things that you see this person is keep on doing
00:35:43 again and again right or since they affect the relationship with the church you see that if severe the relationship with the church then you actually talk about it you actually engage them for this it's not a small little thing or we tell hey you know you're paring and it's not so good you shouldn't do that we we don't do that it's only very serious we do that and responsibility of all believers everybody needs to take action for this not just the leaders and when the person doesn't listen to you you
00:36:08 increase the number of people number of other members in the church so that the numbers over there there's actually confidence in numbers to know that there's accuracy we can verify each other it's not because you're trying to take leadership and force it down to people and some of us like to do that you know right because in corporate is very normal if your colle doesn't listen to you and you think it's right what do you do you go to manager right ask the manager to come down manager say You must do it done ready but in church you
00:36:35 can't do that in church what happens is you're actually going to brothers and sisters together to solve it together because you are all there's only one there's only God only and you we ourselves were supposed to help each other in this journey number six which and if they don't listen we're supposed to treat them as pagans or tax collectors which means that we're supposed to limit Fellowship so the question then I ask is this do you allow tax collectors and pagans to come to church do you allow them that's right
00:37:07 they still can come to church but perhaps certain Fellowship you be reduced right maybe your C gr certain things or certain leadership things they cannot come in anymore if a person sins have four wives they cannot they cannot be on the church leadership line you know so reduce Fellowship reduce certain things but it doesn't mean that you totally cut them off because Jesus still is having fellowship and it with Sinners and all but there's a reduced amount of Fellowship that you do yeah so the purpose is always the most important is
00:37:35 because we want to restore Fellowship now not because we are hurt but or to let us feel morally Superior and when we do all this the Bible says that whatever we do over here in this Spirit of wanting to restore the brother back to the church it says that Jesus will always be with us when two or three gather for this purpose as you pray to God Jesus will always be here in this entire reconciliation that you want to do and whatever decision is being done that is accordance to God's will God will honor as well that is what it
00:38:10 says over here in Matthew 18 so now I want to share with you this if you look at this photo can you see the person in circle in red that's me if you can recognize this is about 17 years ago my hair color was much nicer last time right I had earrings uh I I smoked my mom doesn't know that now she knows I gamble I I watch uh Arsenal Liverpool leester all this you don't know leester now now maybe you know lead United last time I follow one long long time ago I watch all this I gamble and I play cards
00:38:53 with my friends until 4: 5:00 in the morning we don't sleep and after 5:00 in the morning we going eat one time mean then we go to sleep and I don't go lectur so in my University time I was a terrible person I was terrible and if you see me basically you make sure that your daughter doesn't come near me that's the truth I was terrible and there was one time I show you I went to ask for directions I came to C ask for directions the person that saw me ran away you know I don't know maybe because my
00:39:22 earrings are too big or something so it just doesn't fit the norm and when I went to church right there was a church camp I remember the church camp people didn't want to talk to me why I don't look normal can you see that I don't look like the rest right and my social skills until now still got problem but last time was worse as well so because of that people found me funny they didn't like me and they just let me be right but friends is that how church supposed to be is that how church supposed to be if
00:39:54 an odd duckling come into your church if somebody of A different race somebody that doesn't agree with you somebody that drives a taxi somebody that maybe you just different from you right or maybe the other way they are way they are wealthy than you they're much better than you soal and because of that you feel that this guy maybe he's bad one so that's why he's so rich so we don't friend him these are things happen when people at this come or when there's people who you don't agree with because
00:40:22 you see their character they do bad things and so you don't agree with them what do you do is such people do you cancel them from your life by the time I have these two friends over here Yao Chong and Melvin and so what happened was we got we got to know each other from the first year of University at first we were good friends but as I backslide more and more and went into this crazy time of my life they started to get angry at me because I thought I know don't know the Bible a bit more so they're charismatic I was
00:40:55 from Gospel Hall and we were very against it in gospel last time so when they talk about charismatic self I tell them this is not right and what happen I don't go to church because the church is charismatic church but these guys over here didn't give up on me they hated me right and I knew it why because after I graduate we became good friends again I talk to them they said you know last time I hated you you know I said yeah I know Al I was terrible but that was the point by they didn't give it give on me
00:41:20 and you know what happened Whenever there was church on Sunday they could still come to me and ask want to go to church or not when the church came they come and ask me want to go or not that's how I ended up over here so what I share with you is this we have to forgive others and when you have others brothers sisters in your midst that I that is an odd duckling that looks weird that's not what you think is supposed to be you need to remember God sees not us where we are now but who we are in his eyes right and
00:41:54 God can see that we can change God gave us a chance he reduce he remove our debts and therefore we can also look at the person and say that you know maybe we need to do something for them we try to help them and it doesn't take one day or two days it took me four years okay I basically didn't go to un I didn't go for lectures for about three years or so and can pass on actually so it's a different story but that's the issue over here if they were not there for me I can let you know if they didn't ask me
00:42:25 to go to church okay if they didn't invite me to Camp many things in my life will changed I've done a lot more mistakes than I would have done now but because of them they were still a string that was still connecting me to church they didn't give up on me so the question is when a person leaves a church we ask why why why does it happen is it something that we didn't do not the leadership we we as a body of Christ is something that we didn't do did we reconcile did we look into that we as Body of Christ our main goal is to
00:42:59 reconcile us with others and also to Christ as well the H marks of a Christ follower is over here as U Jesus says a new command I give you love one another as I have loved you so you must love one another by this everyone will know that you are my disciples if you love one another that's what Jesus ask us to do the homark of a Christian is love do you love others and why can we love because we have the emotional humility to know that we can be like that right I like to invite the wish to come up and the thing is is you never
00:43:39 know when you backslide you hope you don't I never thought I was you smoke I never thought I would gamble like that last time so uni time what happened was we actually had um um scholarship money so we took the many with some money and we use it for for all this because they got too much extra no girlfriend at the time right so these are things we do but one thing is this we are here supposed to help each other to go through life and so I have one question for all of you today do you need to forgive anyone
00:44:09 today or not in church here is there someone that has wronged you or you have wronged them and in your heart is you think that that person should have done this I was nice to him and this is what he did or he was totally wrong has this happened or not is is there someone that you want to forgive and you should forgive the second question is this is there someone that you can share your burdens with you saw you see the story it's about life as a person in the kingdom of heaven and so friends I will share with you if you got
00:44:45 nobody to forgive and you don't see any sin in anyone very likely you're not in the Kingdom of Heaven you're not in God's Community you know because because when you come in I can tell you definitely got L problems then so if you don't see it and you don't see issues means you're not in but when you're in like this hot duck that you see over here right if not for them I wouldn't be here right and I'm still work in progress as well but friends it's much better to be in God's Community than to be outside so friends
00:45:21 for all of you over here I just want to ask this question do you have anyone that you want to forgive and is there someone that you can share your burdens with if there's any you can scan this s code put your information inside if you want someone to pray to you pray with you or if you're not in a live group you're not connect to anywhere or even if you say in my live group maybe I I want to find somewhere that I can connect to scan this QR code right Let the church people to help you to actually find brothers and sisters who
00:45:49 can help you to go through this life together as followers of Jesus Christ thank you brother thank you brother John D for the wonderful message I hope everybody uh got this message today uh as we are brothers and sisters and we must always forgive and forget right uh we will be doing the response songs and let us uh arise As we sing this response songs One voice all [Music] right father we ask of you this day come and heal [Music] our heart together that Glory may be seen in us and the world will know that Jesus
00:47:17 Christ is [Music] Lord glorifies your name let us one declaring that you let us be one in love and harmony pray oh God un now is the time for you and I join your hearts in PR the name of Jesus will be lifted high above the [Music] Earth that Jesus Christ [Music] is glorifies your name let us be one voice declaring let us be one love [Music] we pray oh God [Music] you of Jesus high above the earth and the world know Jesus Christ [Music] glorifies your let us be declaring you let us [Music] be us
00:49:24 let voice glorifies your name let us be one voice declaring as you re let be one in love and harmony every oh [Music] God we pray God [Music] you maybe see that
